Significant Other

Interview with Director: Trip Cullman

Posted on: May 15th, 2015 by Ted Sod


Education Dramaturg Ted Sod interviews the director of Significant Other, Trip Cullman.


SO-0005M-StandardArtFilesStandardArtFiles-300x300pxTED SOD: Will you give us some background information on yourself?

TRIP CULLMAN: I am a native New Yorker. The only times I haven’t lived in New York were when I was at college and then drama school both at Yale. I knew from an early age that I wanted to make a life for myself in the theatre. My parents took me to plays and musicals all the time growing up, and the onstage worlds that I was exposed to seemed to me the most wondrous, magical places. I wanted to be a part of them so badly. My fourth grade teacher was also a playwright; his name was Ronald Bazarini. To this day he was the most influential person in my development as a theatre artist. He was truly the greatest teacher. He wrote and directed our fourth grade play, which was about the founding of Rome. In an all­ boys school, I was cast as the mother of Romulus and Remus. I borrowed two of my sister’s Cabbage Patch dolls to portray the twin babies and wept during the performance as I left them on the banks of the Tiber. I was hooked.

My senior year of high school was my first directing experience. My drama teacher selected a group of us to direct an evening of one acts. The rest of the kids decided to do these sweet, charming little plays. I decided to do Sam Shepard and Patti Smith’s Cowboy Mouth. The drama teacher had to put my play at the end of the evening and make an announcement before it ran that anyone easily offended by strong sexual content and foul language should feel free to leave. It was thrilling. Through college and for a few years afterward, I continued to act. But I got frustrated being directed by people who I felt didn’t know what they were doing. I remember thinking, “I could do a better job than them.” Furthermore, as it turns out, I was a spectacularly mediocre actor. There were many people who could do a better job than me in that field. So I decided to concentrate on directing exclusively.


TS: You have directed a lot of new plays. Why did you choose to direct Significant Other? How do you collaborate with a playwright on a world premiere?

TC: I saw Joshua Harmon’s Bad Jews here at the Roundabout a few years ago and was blown away by it. When I was offered Significant Other, I leapt at the chance to work with him. I pretty much can tell instinctively from the first read of a script whether I want to direct the play or not. I remember sitting on my couch and laughing out loud and then crying as I read Significant Other for the first time. I had just gone through a really bad break­up, and the play’s evocation of loneliness and its yearning, aching heart moved me deeply. Early in the play the main character Jordan says to his best friend Laura: “I know life is supposed to be this great mystery, but I actually think it’s pretty simple: find someone to go through it with. That’s it. That’s the, whatever, the secret. And so then that’s the hardest part. Walking around knowing what the point is, but not being able to live it, and not knowing how to get it, or if I ever even will...” The simple, painful truth of that shattered me. I knew I had to direct the play.

The collaboration between a playwright and a director on a new play is extremely intimate. The playwright is entrusting a director to bring to three dimensional life no less than the deepest expression of his or her soul. It’s an awesome responsibility. There has to be enormous trust. If the playwright is the author of the text, the director is the author of the production. And for the production to be cohesive, the communication between director and playwright is crucial.


TS: What do you think Significant Other is about? Does the play have personal resonance for you and, if so, how? How do you see the relationship between Jordan and Laura?

TC: Significant Other is a contemporary play about loneliness. It also – radically, I think examines the nature of friendship between gay guys and their best girl friends. Too often on television and in film and also on stage we see a stereotypical, two dimensional representation of this friendship. I can’t think of another piece of art that examines this topic with more unflinching honesty than Josh’s play. The majority of my closest friends are women, and Significant Other rather perfectly reflects the complexity of those friendships in my own life. The intimacy of Jordan and Laura’s friendship evolves over the course of the play. As Jordan remains single and Laura finds her soul mate, this is inevitable, and really rather heartbreaking. Jordan says to Laura, “We were best friends when we lived together or when we spent every weekend together, or when we talked multiple times every single day and we don’t do that anymore, not even close. You wake up next to Tony and you fall asleep next to Tony and when your Mom pisses you off you call Tony and when you’re sad you turn to Tony. But I haven’t found someone to replace you...All the things you got from our friendship, you get from Tony now. Which is great. But all the things I got, things I really need – I’m not getting them from anyone, and then you tell me I’m your best friend but it’s so different, it’s so, so different and I feel so alone, Laura...” The honesty of that passage just kills me.


TS: Can you share a bit about your process: How do you prepare for directing a new work? Do you have to do any research about the world of the play?

TC: The process of preparing to direct a new play is different for each piece I work on, but there are some constants. I always create a playlist of songs that for me help evoke the feeling of the play. The songs more often than not don’t find their way into the production, but they help me feel what I eventually will want the audience to feel when watching the play. I also read and reread the play hundreds of times, and take notes for myself in the margins when ideas spring to mind – a staging idea, an image, a thought about design, an observation about theme. I look at a lot of art as well. I was an art history major in college, so visual art is a really useful tool for me.

For example, there is a Diane Arbus photograph of an older lady sitting in her house with these billowing gauzy curtains behind her – and this image was the basis for the character of Helene in Significant Other: her costuming, the set design of her home. I also meet many, many times with the playwright and get a good sense of his or her vibe, asking the playwright a million questions and really trying to get inside his or her head. Writing a play is a lonely business, and directing a play is the opposite – it is all about collaboration. So in fact preparing to work on a play is a lot about conversations – with the playwright, the designers, the actors, the producers, the casting director, the marketing people, the technical director, etc. It’s my job to get us all on the same page.


Lindsay Mendez, Gideon Glick, John Behlmann, Carra Patterson and Luke Smith. Photo by Jenny Anderson.


TS: What did you look for in casting the actors? What traits did you need?

TC: The adage that directing is 90% casting is in fact true. Other than the relationship with the playwright, the collaboration between director and actor is the most intense, the most intimate. I need to find actors I can trust, who I feel will be brilliant, and fun, and hardworking collaborators. Actors who will reveal things about the characters that would have never occurred to me otherwise. This to me is a million times more important than the superficial requirements of how they look or their “star power,” etc. In the case of Significant Other, it was vital first and foremost to find an actor who could confidently handle the role of Jordan: someone who could make you laugh hysterically one second and then break your heart the next.

Jordan is a huge, huge role. The character is alarmingly verbal and he has these massive, bravura arias ­­ cascades of language really. The trick was to find someone who can handle the character’s verbosity with ease and whom the audience will root for unequivocally. Gideon Glick is more than up to that challenge. It was important to me to cast his best girlfriends – Laura, Vanessa, and Kiki – in a way where the audience truly believed that they could all be close friends. And to distinguish the three characters in as specific a way as possible. Laura is the heart of the play, Vanessa is the intellect, Kiki the fun. Laura is the friend you call to come over and eat ice cream on the couch with as you get over a heartbreak. Vanessa is who you have deep conversations about art or politics with. Kiki is who you call when you want to go out and get drunk. Lindsay Mendez, Carra Patterson, and Sas Goldberg will delight in these roles. Luke Smith and John Behlmann are tasked with portraying several characters in the play. Their skills at transformation, as well as their inherent humor and charm will add immeasurably to the fabric of the production. Finally, the great Barbara Barrie will essay the role of Helene. Helene is Jordan’s “Bubbe” – his beloved grandma – and their relationship is perhaps the most touching in the play. I have been a great admirer of Barbara’s since Private Benjamin and Breaking Away, and I am so lucky to be able to work with her.

TC: How will the play manifest itself visually? How are you collaborating with your design team?

TS: Significant Other is a challenging play to design. There are many, many scenes in many, many different locales ­­ but having scenic transitions would be death. As Josh writes in the forward, “The scenes of this play should bleed into each other. Because love bleeds. Ugh.” So the major task of the design was to allow the world to transform magically and in a split second – without a turntable, without flying scenery, without automation ­­ all of which would slow down the way the “scenes bleed into each other.”

Mark Wendland is a brilliant set designer. This is our sixth collaboration, with several more planned in the coming years. He has become one of the most important partners in my artistic life. I always say that designers make the best dramaturges, and Mark is the sine qua non of deep readers of play texts. The dark, mercurial, abstract world that he has made for Significant Other is evocative of the play’s lonely, fragile heart. It feels like the contemporary equivalent of the original set for Williams’s Glass Menagerie ­­where the memories and isolation of the main character become three dimensionalized in the sceneography. Japhy Weidman, who collaborated with Mark and me on Simon Stephens’s Punk Rock earlier this year, is an extraordinary artist. I can think of no other lighting designer working today who can evoke mood as brilliantly as he.

This is my first time working with Kaye Voyce, whose costume designs I have always been a huge fan of in other productions I have seen. She has her work cut out for her on Significant Other, with its series of lightning fast quick changes. She is more than up to the task. Dan Kluger is a magnificent sound designer, whose work with me earlier this year on Halley Feiffer’s I’m Gonna Pray For You So Hard was impressive in its rigor and exactitude. I think Significant Other will have an almost continual soundscape – the paradoxical sound of being alone in a city of millions of people. Joni Mitchell has a lyric, “But when he’s gone me and the lonesome blues collide/The bed’s too big, the frying pan’s too wide.” The design of Significant Other will evoke this notion of being alone in a world meant for couples, the pain of a single person moving through that world.


Set design sketch by Mark Wendland


TS: Was turning 30 a traumatic event for you and­­ if you haven’t reached that age yet – do you expect it to be?

TC: Haha – ugh! I just turned 40 this year so turning 30 was like an eternity ago. Jordan says in the play, “I know I’m still young, I know twenty­nine is not thirty­nine, but...” I died a little when I read that line. Jordan would think I am an old man! But I do remember the anxiety and apprehension of approaching my thirties. Will I find love? Will I make a name for myself in my career? What will it be like to become a full­on adult with, like, responsibilities?


TS: How do keep yourself inspired as an artist? Do you see the work of your peers? Travel? Read? Go to museums?

TC: I love seeing the work of my peers. My generation of fellow theatre directors are an impressive bunch, and I think our aesthetic sensibilities are quite radically different from those of the generation above us. I think we bring a more downtown, experimental sensibility to the work we do. I always learn something from seeing the work of Leigh Silverman, Annie Kauffman, Daniel Aukin, Alex Timbers, Liesl Tommy, and Sam Gold among many others. I do love to travel and read, and try to do so as much as I can when I am not in production. But my favorite thing is to cook and do hot yoga. I am obsessed with both and try to bring my full creative self to those pursuits in the same all‐consuming way I tackle a directing job.


TS: What other projects are you working on besides Significant Other?

TC: Right after I open Significant Other I travel to New York Stage and Film to workshop a new musical by Stephen Trask, Peter Yanowitz and Rick Elice. I then go straight to the Williamstown Theatre Festival where I direct the world premiere of the musical Unknown Soldier, by Michael Friedman and Danny Goldstein. I then have the opportunity to direct Bess Wohl’s Barcelona at the Geffen in L.A., and Halley Feiffer’s amazingly titled A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Gynecologic Oncology Unit At Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center Of New York at MCC. I’m also working with my frequent collaborator Leslye Headland on her new play The Layover and developing a new musical by Adam Bock and Justin Levine called Halfway Home for MTC.


Significant Other begins previews May 21 at the Laura Pels Theatre. For more information and tickets, please visit our website.

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Interview with Playwright: Joshua Harmon

Posted on: May 14th, 2015 by Ted Sod


Education Dramaturg Ted Sod interviews Significant Other playwright Joshua Harmon about his work.

TED SOD: Will you give us some background information on yourself: Where are you from? Where were you educated? When did you decide to become a playwright and why?

Joshua Harmon: I was born in New York and raised in the suburbs. I went to Northwestern for college, Carnegie Mellon for grad school, and am just finishing up a third year in the Playwrights Program at Juilliard. I have been writing since I was very young, so becoming a playwright never felt like a decision. It was something I was always doing.

TS: What inspired you to write Significant Other? What do you feel the play is about? Significant Other seems like a very personal play. Did you have to do any research in order to write it?

JH: I started writing the play four years ago during a residency at the Atlantic Center for the Arts, in New Smyrna Beach, Florida. In July. It was very hot. I wore lots of bug spray. I went there to work with Annie Baker. She asked us to write nine short scenes which could be performed in any order. I wrote about a guy talking to his therapist about one of his co­workers, whom he had a huge crush on/was mildly obsessed with and who he was trying to ask out on a date to see a documentary about The Franco-Prussian War. Those scenes made me want to write a crazy, sweeping, epic play about unrequited love, which is a theme I come back to in my writing again and again. That's where it began.

In the year following that residency, I got a crazy job and then quit that job and then got a different temp job and then the Roundabout decided to produce Bad Jews, and even though I was mostly thrilled, I also freaked out. I worried that if the production went badly, I might become so traumatized that I'd never write again. So I told myself I had to write a new play before I went into rehearsals for Bad Jews, so that no matter what, I would have something to keep working on. The first draft of the play was 176 pages long. That's long for most plays. About 1/3 of the play took place in therapy, there were readings of Emily Dickinson poems, and a live band... all of that is gone now. First drafts can be unwieldy. But over time, with more drafts and workshops and readings, the play found its way.

One of the things that excites me about the play is that it feels simultaneously epic and very intimate. 7 actors play more than 10 characters over an almost three year period in many different locations. And yet, at its core, the play is an intimate look at a group of friends whose lives change and priorities shift as they begin to couple up and settle down. They begin to face the real beginning of adulthood, and they all feel differently as they stand on the edge of that precipice.

The play also puts a character front and center who is ordinarily relegated to the sidelines. Much like Daphna in Bad Jews, Jordan Berman isn't a prototypical protagonist. I guess I'm interested in seeing what happens when someone we don't ordinarily look twice at is situated at the center of the story.

The play is also examining wedding culture, which is something I have a lot of questions about. In so many respects, I think people my age are more secular than ever before, and yet their weddings are so much more lavish; it's as if there's an inverse relationship between a collective moving away from religious ceremonies and a moving toward extensive and expensive bridal showers, bachelorette parties, rehearsal dinners, destination weddings, etc. My parents didn't go to any destination weddings. Their parents probably didn't even know what a destination wedding was. They certainly never had to go to destination bachelorette parties (I'm sorry, but when did that become socially acceptable? I can't.). But then, despite everything, at most weddings I almost always end up crying. So, I wanted a chance to examine how something could compel and repel in equal measure.

When Joni Mitchell made Blue, she said, "I felt like a cellophane wrapper on a pack of cigarettes." I don't think she meant the album was autobiography, but there was an emotional transparency in the work that cannot be denied, and I guess I'm striving for something like that in this play. Not autobiography — but a willingness to examine questions and concerns and fears which are my own, and if they are my own, then I must believe they are not unique only to me. Watching my friends date, seeing some of my friends get married while others remain single (both happily and begrudgingly), seeing how people's lives change once they get married, watching friendships change — all contributed to this play. But ultimately, whatever ideas I had before writing, the play made its own demands, so I had to be willing to bend toward the play and allow it to become what it wanted to become.


Joshua Harmon

TS: The play is about many things, but a large part of it is about turning 30 and how friendships endure when one of the friends gets married. Do you think friendships can endure when one of the friends takes on a life partner?

JH: I think they can endure, but they change, and for those who find change terrifying, that can be a real shock to the system. Two single friends facing the world together are going to have a very different relationship when one of those friends falls wildly, madly in love.

Today, people are getting married later and later. The average age for a first marriage for women is 27, for men, 29. In 1990, the average age for women was 23 and for men, 26. And in 1960, the average age for women was 20, and for men, 22. If a woman used to get married at 20, and now she waits until 27, what is she doing in those seven years to find intimacy and love and connection? Perhaps she has boyfriends, but I've observed that a lot of those non­romantic needs get fulfilled in friendships. So a person often enters a marriage with a group of friends who have served in so many ways as surrogate platonic lovers. Those friendships can be intense and powerful and deeply meaningful. A romantic connection outside the friendship necessarily ruptures that relationship. It's a tricky balancing act: how to be happy for a friend, even when you know, in some respects, you are losing them, and often when you need them most.

Friendship is the bridge between the families we are born into and the families we create when we find romantic partners of our own. When we're children, before we become romantic beings, we learn how to be friends. Friends are the first people we develop feelings of love for outside the boundaries of our families. I'm writing this as if I know anything about the psychology behind this stuff. I don't. But it does seem apparent that friendship comes before romance, and yet, when romance happens, it re­prioritizes a person's life. Ideally, one marries one's best friend. But wasn't there a best friend before the new best friend? What happens to him?

So yes. I think friendships can endure — I know they can — but there's also no question that they change. And with change, if something is gained, then something must necessarily be lost. This play stares down that feeling of loss. It sounds much more dire than it is. But I think people who were 20 in 1960 and got married had all the same needs for intimacy and connection that a single 20-­year-­old has today. And if that 20­year­old isn't getting married for another seven years, then chances are, they're finding that connection with a friend.

TS: There is an intergenerational relationship which the subscribers are sure to love between the character of Jordan and his grandmother – will you tell us about the genesis of that?

JH: The scenes between Jordan and Helene are the very heart of the play. Those are the moments when he's his most vulnerable and honest. Each time he visits his grandmother, she asks him the same question, "How's your social life?" and as his social life becomes lonelier and less fulfilling, he finds himself needing to answer the question more honestly, and that honesty gets increasingly painful.

They're both also grappling with their loneliness. He's lonely because he isn't sure he will ever find someone to share his life with, and she is lonely because she has to learn to live without the person with whom she shared her life for so long. They sit on opposite ends of it all, and yet, their day-­to-­day experiences are similar. They're both awake, late at night, watching TV alone. They're both standing up in the kitchen, eating meals alone. They're both spending a lot of time in their minds, remembering, imagining, daydreaming. So there's a great connection there, a deep sense of unspoken understanding.

I was also interested in looking at how Jordan comes to understand his place in his family. Helene likes to look at photographs of her parents, her husband, her grandparents, and to share these stories with Jordan. But the unspoken question he is asking in those moments is, what am I going to do with this information? Who am I going to pass this along to? Her place in the history of the family is secure, but his is not, and he's being entrusted to carry on stories and a legacy at the exact moment when he feels most vulnerable about what the future has in store for him.

TS: How did your collaboration with director Trip Cullman come about? Can you describe what you look for in a director? And what you both looked for in casting actors for this production?

JH: Trip is a director whom I've admired for many years. He read the play and seemed to immediately understand what it was about and what pitfalls would have to be avoided in a production of it. I think we were both excited to work with each other.

I want a director who on the one hand has a visceral, deep connection to what's on the page, but also who maybe sees the world a little differently than I do, someone whose approach to work and maybe even to life is a little different from my own. Those differences can rub up against each other in a way that can be very fruitful in a collaboration.

As for actors, they have to be great comedians but also able to tap into tremendous vulnerability. The play is (I hope!) funny, but it also traverses some rocky emotional terrain. Comedy can often be a defense mechanism, a shield to combat or protect people who feel vulnerable. We had to find actors who knew how to use the shield, but then knew how to put it down and drop all pretenses. I think we've found some remarkable actors for this production. I couldn't be more excited about this cast.

Barbara Barrie, Gideon Glick and Trip Cullman. Photo by Jenny Anderson.

Barbara Barrie, Gideon Glick and Trip Cullman. Photo by Jenny Anderson.

TS: Do you anticipate the script changing during rehearsals? Is there something specific you look for during rehearsals when deciding on rewrites? Do you try to tailor the script to the strengths of the actors who are cast?

JH: I do anticipate the script changing. A good actor will teach you so much about what works and what doesn't— and we have seven great actors. So I plan to stay open and learn from them. At the same time, I'm going into this rehearsal knowing that there are certain foundational elements or moments without which, this play would not be this play. So you leave those things alone. Those are the tent poles.

TS: When I last interviewed you for Upstage, you said your favorite playwright was Wendy Wasserstein – will you be seeing the Broadway revival of her play The Heidi Chronicles? How does seeing the work of someone you admire affect your work?

JH: I have seen the revival, which features the remarkable Tracee Chimo. It was a powerful experience. Wasserstein was a very brave writer— unafraid to examine herself. She was asking questions a lot of us ask ourselves, alone, or quietly among friends. The difference is she had the courage to ask them out loud in front of everyone and found new, fresh ways of articulating those questions. For me, she is the master of the holy trinity of playwriting—personal, funny, and emotional. You can't really ask for more than that.

Seeing the work of someone you admire—seeing good work in general—reminds you of why you wanted to do this to begin with. A great play makes you feel something deeply, and so you're reminded that that's even possible in the theatre, and to keep striving to give that experience to someone else.

TS: You quote a line of Janie Blumberg’s about “having it all” from Wendy’s play Isn’t It Romantic as the introduction to your play: "When I'm twenty­eight, I'm going to get married and be very much in love with someone who is poor and fascinating until he's thirty and then fabulously wealthy and very secure after that. And we're going to have children who wear overalls and flannel shirts and are kind and independent, with curly blond hair. And we'll have great sex and still hold hands when we travel to China when we're sixty."
Why do you think so many New Yorkers try to have it all – is it even possible?

JH: Sadly, no. No one can have it all. Time is finite. Energy is finite. And so we all have to make choices about how we spend our time. There's just no way you can be terrific at your job, be a perfect partner to your spouse, a perfect child to your parents, a wonderful friend, work out regularly, keep up with the news, go to see all the plays and movies and concerts and exhibits and lectures you should, read a good book, keep up with TV shows, prepare a home­cooked meal, keep your house clean, vote, volunteer, recycle, travel the world, and on and on and on...

So you have to make choices. I think part of why the idea of "having it all" is so appealing is because it means you didn't have to make any choices. Nothing was sacrificed. But what strikes me so much about this quote is the dream we have about our romantic lives when we're young. Janie Blumberg is someone who has a very clear sense of what she wants from love. I think Jordan Berman shares that trait with her.

And so then the question becomes, how do you walk around knowing what you want and not being able to get it? Jordan wants to be in love. But wanting cannot make it so. And so he's not standing on very solid ground, because he has to come to peace with his current life even though it's not the life he wants to be living.

TS: What are you working on now besides this production of Significant Other?

JH: I am working on two more plays, one of which is a commission for the Roundabout. I just finished working on the New York Spring Spectacular, at Radio City. But right now, I'm just focused on this play. A new play is an inherently risky undertaking, so I feel very grateful to have this opportunity to see it produced, and I just plan to work as hard as I can to be worthy of that risk.


Significant Other begins previews May 21 at the Laura Pels Theatre. For more information and tickets, please visit our website.


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270x140_SignificantOther04I am happy to announce that casting for the world premiere of Joshua Harmon’s Significant Other, directed by Trip Cullman, is complete. The play will feature Barbara Barrie, John Behlmann, Sas Goldberg, Gideon Glick, Lindsay Mendez, Carra Patterson and Luke Smith.

Gideon Glick and Lindsay Mendez are both Roundabout alums; Gideon appeared in Stephen Karam’s Speech and Debate, and Lindsay appeared in Everyday Rapture. And of course, Carra Patterson can currently be seen in our Roundabout Underground production of Little Children Dream of God. I am so excited to welcome these three incredibly talented actors back to Roundabout.

I’m also thrilled to welcome the rest of this accomplished cast to our stage. Barbara Barrie has had a distinguished career on stage and screen, receiving Obie and Drama Desk Awards (The Killdeer) as well as an Academy Award nomination and several Emmy Award nominations. John Behlmann, most recently seen Off-Broadway in Pretty Filthy, has appeared on Broadway in The 39 Steps and Journey’s End. Sas Goldberg, no stranger to Roundabout or to this play (she has done a phenomenal job in every one of Significant Other’s developmental readings), has appeared in plays at Lincoln Center and Ars Nova. Luke Smith has numerous New York and regional credits to his name and appeared in the First National Tour of Peter and the Starcatcher.

I am honored to have this exceptional cast at the Pels for the final show of our 2014-2015 Season. For more information and tickets, please visit our website.

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